King diamond manual technical info

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King diamond manual technical info

Postby Morandir835 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:51 pm

This info is taken from ecf again. This gives everyone some ideas what to expect from the new batts. First up we have the shorty. She's a black matte finish with a red led named Emerencia (a title of a King Diamond song). Went through 2 charges last night, and another tonight when I got off work. As Mark sir stated in his blog, these are best used with the slim line charger. Here are the off load voltages from the batt on each charger:

Wall charger- 4.28v
USB- 4.31v
Slim line- 4.22v

The batt was taken off as soon as the charger said they were ready, would hate to see what would happen if left on either the old style chargers overnight. Can't stress enough how important using the slim line charger is with these batts. Not even subjecting the regular or xl batt to the same tests.

Cut off time on this batt is 10.8 seconds (minused the .1 second on the stop watch for accuracy). Not nearly as long as that of the auto, but very rarely have I known anyone who takes a draw any longer than that. Only time I hit the 20.5 second average on the auto Kd's and stealths were for testing purposes or I was really stressed. This is by no means a drawback.

As stated before the switch on these is perfect. Fastest response time of any manual to date. As soon as the button is pressed you hear the sizzle of a wow carto or the snap crackle and pop of a cool cart.

Up next is run time. Used a wow carto at 2.3ohms for the first and third run, a cool cart at 3.3ohm for the second. Will be keeping track of the run times long term, but that info takes weeks of use to get. So this is a very incomplete run time chart, but best I can do in a day. In comparison a v2 auto kd had the following averages: 127min average with a wow carto at 2.3ohms, 152min with a cool cart at 3.3ohms. These were taken from 576 logged times of various batts (ocd is a blessing and curse people). As for these 3 runs:

Run 1 with a wow carto- 145 minutes
Run 2 with cool cart- 174 minutes
Run 3 with wow- 144 minutes

That's around a 14% gain on each charge in comparison to the v2's. Quite amazing for an unregulated batt with high voltage output. It wouldn't be a proper review if I didn't list voltage testing. On the last run took a full voltage panel, like usual did my nine minute intervals. This was so much easier to do in comparison to that of the autos.... These are load numbers, using again a 2.3ohm wow carto fresh off the slim line with chain vaping.

4.19 (at start), 4.16 (9min), 4.14 (18min), 4.12 (27min), 4.08 (36min), 4.06 (45 min), 4.03 (54min), 4.01 (63min), 3.99 (72min), 3.97 (81min), 3.95 (90min), 3.93 (99min), 3.91 (108min), 3.88 (117min), 3.86 (126 min), 3.84 (135min), 3.71 (144min) after that stopped. These batts are very easy to tell when it's time to quit vaping. It's like it completely shifts gears right around the 138 min mark. It's just as pronounced of that of the autos. 144 minutes without flashing (always avoid deep cycling if you can) on a wow carto out of a shorty is down right amazing. This puts it right around 205mah or so (not an exact number, don't have the equipment for that, but based off the old batts mah...). Was a bit surprised these didn't start at 4.2v under load like the autos (was 4.194 to be exact), but nothing too worry about. Believe these batts include a new IC as well to make sure the voltage stays consistent longer. This not only helps prolong the charge of the batt, but have a feeling it will help in the long term life of the batt (a theory that won't be proved for 3-6 months, maybe longer).
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Postby Morandir835 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:52 pm

Regular king diamond manual, he's a black glossy with a blue led named O'Brian the Black Horseman (yes another King Diamond reference):

Decided for this test to only use the slim line charger, but to let it charge for longer periods on the SL then test the off load voltage:

Taken off as soon as the light went green: 4.21v
4 hours after the light turned green: 4.23v
Overnight (was on the charger a grand total of 9 hours and 41 minutes): 4.24v

This shows again how much safer it is to use the SL with these batts. Even if left on for an extended period (again, do not suggest leaving a batt on any charger more than 14 hours) they won't charge to a point of damage (4.26v and above).

Next is cut off, for this battery 10.4 seconds. Just like with the auto KD's there is some variance but well within range.

Now for the really important info to most, run times and voltage output. Went through three runs again, first and last with a wow carto at 2.3ohms, the second with a cool cart 3.3ohms. For anyone who wonders why it's always those specific ohm rating it's because they're the average rating for each respective carto in all my tests. Compare these to average run time on a v2 regular auto kd average of 173min with a wow carto, 206 min with a cool cart with chain vaping.

Run 1 with wow carto- 199 minutes
Run 2 with cool cart- 236 min\
Run 3 with wow carto- 198 minutes

It's an almost 15% gain compared to the v2 king diamond line. That puts these in the 315-320mah range if the old ones were 280mah (theoretically, again don't have the equipment to confirm). As for voltage output:

4.19 (at start), 4.19 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.14 (27min), 4.12 (36min), 4.11 (45 min), 4.09 (54min), 4.08 (63min), 4.06 (72min), 4.05(81min), 4.03(90min), 4.02 (99min), 4.0 (108min), 3.98 (117min), 3.96 (126 min), 3.93 (135min), 3.91 (144min), 3.9 (153min), 3.88 (162min), 3.86 (171min), 3.85 (180min), 3.83 (189min), 3.72 (198min), and stopped.

Again we see that 4.194v at start on load, and again we see it hold it's voltage until the very end then drop like a rock. Whatever IC they're using in these is designed to allow maximum voltage as long as possible then a sudden drop off at the very end. It's pretty much what I expected after testing the shorty. Personally I like the longer batt design. Seems better balanced than the previous batts, and allows me to use my bnew favorite grip better than the previous manuals. A special not to add, these don't work well with the lanyard. The button goes underneath the leather at the top and not into one of the precut holes. Not a major issue, but worth mentioning.
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Postby Morandir835 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:52 pm

And finally we have the XL manual, another black matte with a red led. Her name is Melissa (yet another King Diamond reference, see a theme here?).

Couldn't do the really long slim line charger tests with this batt, but will give how long it took to charge on the slim line for each time and the offload voltage:

Charge 1- 151min 4.23v
Charge 2- 149min 4.22v
Charge 3- 150min 4.22v

It takes a little longer to charge than the previous batts by about 10-11 minutes, but no surprise with the higher mah. Further tests will be done.

Cut off time on this batt was 10.6 seconds, again consistent with the target range. As I purchase more of these will get a better average of how long the cut off time is, but guessing we're looking at the 10-11 second range overall. The autos were 19.8 seconds on the lowest, 21.7 on the highest to give you an example of the range their 20 second cut off fell into. Remember fault tolerances do come into play on every electronic device.

Before I even touch on the run time need to mention the draw. On all three sizes the draw is the same (every manual experiences this, part of it being sealed), which was what was expected. Still can't express how awesome it is though. It's like the draw of that of a regular v2 king diamond batt. If you don't like feeling like you're sucking a 35lbs block of orange slices through a crazy straw, then these are the manuals for you.

The run time on this batt was simply amazing. Longest lasting non-mod/non-fat batt I've ever come accross. Runs one and three were used with a wow carto at 2.3ohms, second run with a cool cart at 3.3ohms with chain vaping.

Run 1 with wow carto- 281min
Run 2 with cool cart- 345min
Run 3 with wow carto- 280min

That's around a 15% gain again on run time in comparison to the autos. This puts the batt around 420-430mah range if the autos were 380mah (again no way to confirm it without proper equipment). Voltage testing on the final run was as follows:

4.19 (at start), 4.18 (9min), 4.17 (18min), 4.16 (27min), 4.15 (36min), 4.14 (45min), 4.12 (54min), 4.11 (63min), 4.10 (72min), 4.08 (81min), 4.06 (90min), 4.05 (99min), 4.04 (108min), 4.03 (117min), 4.03 (126min), 4.01 (135min), 4.0 (144min), 4.0 (153min), 3.99 (162min), 3.97 (171min), 3.95 (180min), 3.94 (189min), 3.92 (198min), 3.91 (207min), 3.91 (216min), 3.89 (225min), 3.88 (234min), 3.87 (243min), 3.85 (252min), 3.85 (261min), 3.84 (270min), 3.73 (279min), puffed it for another minute and did one last check with the voltage of 3.71. Could again tell it was the end of the charge cycle.

Once again we see 4.194v as the starting voltage under load. Tested this starting voltage on with the cool cart on all three sizes and got the same result. The new IC does indeed droop the voltage more than the autos but there are very few people who can tell the difference between 4.19v and 4.2v anyways, so it's not a major deal at all. Snow sir put is best, 3.85v and above most aren't going to notice a difference, it's when it drops below that you leave the sweet spot area of most juices. Great part is you can very easily avoid deep cycling with these batts because of the dramatic changing of gears.

So there we have it, and before black friday like I hoped. The wait was long for all the manual lovers here, but can honestly say it was worth it. I really haven't touched manuals since the king diamond and stealth line were released early this year, these have brought back my appreciation for manuals all over again. It's night and day comparing these manuals to those of the vapor king line. Just keep in mind the regular and xl have no case yet, and you really should purchase the slim line charger for them, but small prices to pay for the best non-mod batt to date. Truly can't wait for the stealth versions and hope this technology will transfer over to the autos. Smilin sir and all the other great people of Vapor4Life you have every right to be proud of these batts. Thank you for everything you do. :)
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